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Dec 17 2015, 09:22 PM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Saw this earlier. Thought it was great. Possibly missing something in my opinion that I can't put my finger on. Perhaps the pace was too fast? It doesn't matter because it was good and solid. Although I might sound unpopular for saying this but I really didn't rate Daisy Ridley's performance at all. We have a saying here. It was very stage school. Stage school being an acting club that children can join and put on shows for people. She wasn't wooden but her line delivery was bad in my opinion. Aside from Harrison Ford the two best actors were John Boyega and Adam Driver. Both of them were brilliant.
We have a villain who is not one dimensional. He is heavily conflicted and afraid. He's also not extremely over powered as we discover near the end when John Boyega is able to take him on in lightsabre combat, despite not being a Jedi. Of course Kylo Ren was injured by Chewbacca first so that helped a lot. But still. John Boyega did even better than Daisy Ridley did against him and she's a force user.
I thought some of the shot selection was a bit iffy. It was mostly really good but there were a few times where I wondered why the cameras were set up like they were when they could have probably got better angles otherwise. But I'm being pinickity. We all know that JJ Abrams is no Spielberg and it was mostly ok. John Williams' soundtrack was amazing and as always, elevated the film's quality by at least one level.
Loved that there were plenty of British actors. Mostly playing imperials of course. And this Scottish man was interesting. I think we will be seeing much more of him next time.
I don't have much else to say right now. I'm not sure that it's a true classic but it's certainly superior to any of the prequels and it left me wanting more. So that's good.
8/10. Grade A. Very good film. Well done to the whole cast.
Final note. Only just realised who Gwendoline Christie played since she wore a helmet the whole time.
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Dec 18 2015, 10:25 AM
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I'm starting like J.J. Abrams movies. Overall great movie, solid performances by the new cast and love Han's evolution.
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Dec 18 2015, 05:12 PM
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I keep trying to imagine how this film might have been perceived had we never had Star Wars before. What if this was the first in the franchise? Would people still care about it? Or would it be viewed as a forgettable fantasy flick?
I think I just realised what was missing from this film.
Spoiler: click to toggle There was nothing new. Nothing we hadn't seen before. With the originals we got our first introductions to lightsabres, Darth Vader, the sounds that Tie Fighters make, John William's score and Chewbacca. All iconic things that no one had seen before. With this I'm struggling to think of anything new besides the droid. Don't get me wrong, I still think the film was good but what was missing was originality.
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Dec 18 2015, 08:43 PM
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It isn't a very memorable film full stop. There's not many moments I can look back on like I can with all the other films. Even the prequels had more stand out parts. It's like what I was saying in my thread about it, if this came out without any other Star Wars films existing before, would anyone even care or remember it in six months?
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Dec 18 2015, 10:14 PM
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I have to say, that beginning with the original score sent chills down my spine, the nostalgia and hype were real.
And f*** Snoke. And Kylo. WORST. SITH. EVER.
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Dec 18 2015, 10:22 PM
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I like Kylo. I think he's cool and multi dimensional. He's clearly meant to be someone who is still young and naive. Also completely torn between light and dark. I honestly thought he was the third best character in the film.
Snoke needs to be developed a lot. What we have of him so far is not good enough for a Star Wars villain. Even the prequels had good villains. Had we got Hugo Weaving cast instead of Andy Serkis then he probably would have been a lot better. Although visually he still sucks.
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I like Kylo. I think he's cool and multi dimensional. He's clearly meant to be someone who is still young and naive. Also completely torn between light and dark. I honestly thought he was the third best character in the film. Not enough development to make me like him. He was literally a Vader wannabe who fails at doing his job as a Sith.
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Dec 18 2015, 10:46 PM
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Well, I completely loved it.
Spoiler: click to toggle My only real complaint was that it borrowed just too much from A New Hope. Did we really need another Death Star even if we give it another name? The way it was dealt with was the exact same too, which I'm sure was the intention and I don't mind them drawing parallels at all but it went a bit too far. Also wanted to see Captain Phasma do more, hope she has a bigger role in the rest of the trilogy. I adored Rey as a character, thought she was brilliant. She's not as whiny as Luke was in his first movie, which makes sense because she's been looking after herself in a harsh world for so long. I really liked just how down to earth she was, I just got the sense that she was quite relatable. I liked how they twisted the concept from Luke, who wanted to leave and go on this big adventure while she was reluctant and went more out of obligation or a sense of duty. Finn was pretty cool too. It was good to see the Stormtroopers more as people rather than just random redshirts. Especially that first scene where one of them bleeds and there's that moment where he holds him as he dies. Nice little misdirection in the marketing to have it seem like he'd be the Jedi instead of Rey, although I do sort of hope that he'll end up being one too. Kylo Ren was probably my favourite character in the movie. His introduction was badass and he had his moments but I loved his development. It was intriguing that he feels a pull to the light side rather than the dark and he's basically actively fighting his nature. I'm really intrigued to see what went wrong with him to do what he did. It was good to see how much more unhinged he became as the movie went on. Those scenes where he lost his cool and just went apes*** when things went wrong, his force powers seem to be very erratic too. Obviously his training is not complete and he's struggling with himself. He wants to be Vader but he isn't and its infuriating. Its much more interesting than just the Vader clone some people wanted him to be. Give me a more complicated character like this any day. Also Adam Driver killed it with his performance. Han  I had a strong feeling he was doomed coming in to it and when it was confirmed that Kylo was his son I was sure. Ford put in quite a good performance, maybe because he knew he wouldn't be dragged back for anymore? Idk but I was worried at first that he would just phone it in so credit where its due. It was a sad last scene, Ren looked genuinely conflicted over it and only decided what he was going to do late on. That last face touch, Chewie losing it BB8 was great, I thought he'd just be a crapy version of R2 and I guess many probably think he was but I enjoyed him. That thumbs up scene was hilarious. Want to see more Poe later on he was cool, more Snoke of course. Hux was a bit too on the nose with his Hitler speech but I'm glad he's still around. He and Kylo have a much more antagonistic relationship than what Tarkin and Vader had so it'll be good for that to keep up. This just felt like Star Wars and not just because of the familiar plot. The cinematography was brilliant, some really great shots in this movie. I'm not one to b*** about CGI but I will say that having real sets and more practical effects made a big difference. The tone was on point too, serious when it needed to be but light-hearted for a lot of it too. Some parts of this movie was hilarious, like Finn and Ray's first meeting, a lot of BB8's scenes, when Finn captures Phasma, Finn and Han's talk about the force ("that's not how it works!"). I'm already looking forward to the next one, just so excited to see the future. So many plot lines left open that should move it away from the OT and in to more unique territory. What happened with Ben to turn him and why? Ray's parents? Ray herself, we've never seen anyone pick up the force so quick. Is there a reason for that? Wtf has Luke been doing? What happens now after the New Republic Senate got wiped out? Just so much potential going forward, I can't wait!
Also I moved some posts from Prof Gohan's topic in to here, too many details for a topic that specifically didn't want discussion and spoilers in it.
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Dec 19 2015, 04:57 AM
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I loved the film, saw it twice already and will probably go again.
Spoiler: click to toggle I love the new characters, especially Kylo Ren I love that he idolizes Darth Vader and bases his image off him, but he seems pretty insecure.
The only real negative point I'd make is that a lot of the plot points were very similar to A New Hope, you can pull a lot of the events from The Force Awakens and find an adjacent event in A New Hope. I loved how it was shot, all the practical effects, just everything. Can't wait for VIII after that cliff hanger too.
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Dec 19 2015, 11:27 AM
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I keep trying to imagine how this film might have been perceived had we never had Star Wars before. What if this was the first in the franchise? Would people still care about it? Or would it be viewed as a forgettable fantasy flick? I think I just realised what was missing from this film. Spoiler: click to toggle There was nothing new. Nothing we hadn't seen before. With the originals we got our first introductions to lightsabres, Darth Vader, the sounds that Tie Fighters make, John William's score and Chewbacca. All iconic things that no one had seen before. With this I'm struggling to think of anything new besides the droid. Don't get me wrong, I still think the film was good but what was missing was originality. You're right.
But I don't think the point of the film was to be refreshing, but a return to the old Star Wars style, it probably wanted to bring nostalgia to those that watched the originals as kids. And besides, let's be honest, the Star Wars aren't really known for their improvement as the movies go on(except for the prequels were quality went down, then down again and finally up), the movies never really do anything new besides create new cool characters that aren't that original either, it felt like Episode VII was trying to do a lot of the things they do in the novels and comics, I definetely got a Darth Revan vibe when I saw Kylo.
At least I am happy I could take it seriously.
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Dec 19 2015, 05:51 PM
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Kylo Ren is fine. He's clearly a very inexperienced Sith, and will grow as the films go on.
Spoiler: click to toggle Besides, he murdered Han. He clearly doesn't f*** around. Anyway, I greatly enjoyed the film. The cast was fantastic, the film was epic, funny, everything I could have hoped for, and more.
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My two cents on the movie:
Spoiler: click to toggle I agree with Pelador when it comes to Finn and Kylo Ren, I really thought they made two right choices here. Adam Driver just looks like a dark Skywalker, like a youngish Anakin. I feel his storyline has a lot of potential. I don't agree when it comes to Daisy Ridley, I thought she was pretty cool actually. Rey comes of as a pretty modest character, but she knows so much cool stuff. I wonder who she's related to btw, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a "Resurrected Yoda" card  I also liked Poe Dameron. He's just this cool guy best buddy, but still has this devil-may-care feel about him. Oscar Isaac played him very well! The plot does have A LOT of similarities with A New Hope, which I feel actually serves the movie very well. It really underlines the importance of "The only fight that counts". It never changes. Han Solo dying was the only thing I got spoiled, but I went into the cinemas thinking that it could be wrong. Either way it wouldn't bum me out too much if he did die. I saw a lot of hints that he would die though, so it kinda sealed it when he enlisted to get Finn to the Starkiller. I'm sure he didn't die in vain. Cool to see Luke again with a beard, I wonder what the significance is. I wonder why it's so important for both sides to find him (You don't need to explain this one to me, I'm just questioning deeper meanings). The movie had an overall feel of the older movies which I was pleasantly surprised with. They had cool effects and all that but it didn't feel overdone. I really liked the sound mixing and the score too, felt very nostalgic! Btw, I could hear so well that Gwendoline Christie was Captain Phasma, but I couldn't hear that Lupita Nyong'o was Maz Kanata. One last thing. Apparently Daniel Craig cameoed as a stormtrooper. I hope it was that stormtrooper who called Finn a traitor outside Maz Kanata's property.
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Dec 19 2015, 11:29 PM
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I never clicked about either of those characters. It was only when I got home and checked the character names that I realised who they were.
Oscar Issac looks like he was yanked straight from the 1970s. Which is awesome.
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Dec 20 2015, 12:23 AM
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That Ackbar-looking guy should've said "IT'S A TRAP!" at some point. It would've been the best moment of the film.
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Dec 20 2015, 02:22 AM
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My two cents on the movie: Spoiler: click to toggle I agree with Pelador when it comes to Finn and Kylo Ren, I really thought they made two right choices here. Adam Driver just looks like a dark Skywalker, like a youngish Anakin. I feel his storyline has a lot of potential. I don't agree when it comes to Daisy Ridley, I thought she was pretty cool actually. Rey comes of as a pretty modest character, but she knows so much cool stuff. I wonder who she's related to btw, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a "Resurrected Yoda" card  I also liked Poe Dameron. He's just this cool guy best buddy, but still has this devil-may-care feel about him. Oscar Isaac played him very well! The plot does have A LOT of similarities with A New Hope, which I feel actually serves the movie very well. It really underlines the importance of "The only fight that counts". It never changes. Han Solo dying was the only thing I got spoiled, but I went into the cinemas thinking that it could be wrong. Either way it wouldn't bum me out too much if he did die. I saw a lot of hints that he would die though, so it kinda sealed it when he enlisted to get Finn to the Starkiller. I'm sure he didn't die in vain. Cool to see Luke again with a beard, I wonder what the significance is. I wonder why it's so important for both sides to find him (You don't need to explain this one to me, I'm just questioning deeper meanings). The movie had an overall feel of the older movies which I was pleasantly surprised with. They had cool effects and all that but it didn't feel overdone. I really liked the sound mixing and the score too, felt very nostalgic! Btw, I could hear so well that Gwendoline Christie was Captain Phasma, but I couldn't hear that Lupita Nyong'o was Maz Kanata. One last thing. Apparently Daniel Craig cameoed as a stormtrooper. I hope it was that stormtrooper who called Finn a traitor outside Maz Kanata's property. Dainiel Craig was the Stormtrooper that Rey force manipulated.
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